SAINTS/PASS BALANCED PREDICAMENT

[charlescountyboy]

Tight Flex pass balanced is hell, I like to use pa waggle and dot the flats with TE and Rocket that corner preferably to someone like sidney rice. Also slot corner and bench nasty. Give people those pass plays and they cant defend off tackle out of that formation and when you run you gonna get big yards with minimal carries I might have to go back to that book. Im running Philly book with Philly, their wildcat formation has a pass with no automotion or handoff. With vick on the field you can dot and throw rockets to celek or ingram and audible down to power flip the run and take it up the middle sexy change of pace to slow the game down. The gun sets in this book are money too. And if you like off tackle you have outside zone out ace pair twins singleback. Didnt mean to hijack the thread and talk about a diff book but philly book is sexy too.

[PSUEagle]

Go with NO IMO. Excellent passing playbook with enough decent running plays to pound the ball when you need to.

By the way, get on your XBOX IRISH lol! I'll be on tonight if you want to do some labbing.

[IRISHFBFAN1]

Originally Posted by PSUEagle

Go with NO IMO. Excellent passing playbook with enough decent running plays to pound the ball when you need to.

By the way, get on your XBOX IRISH lol! I'll be on tonight if you want to do some labbing.

I have been on, I sent you a text asking if you wee there, no response! Im ready to run the ball down your throat lol! check your messages there big guy!

She would much rather be UNDERCENTER!

A LIBERAL SIM PLAYER!

You want to stretch them EAST and WEST, and then punish them NORTH and SOUTH when they expand. When they start bringing people back in the box to stop the run, we go back to the air attacking the voided areas of those defenders trying to stop the run..

[IRISHFBFAN1]

Originally Posted by charlescountyboy

Tight Flex pass balanced is hell, I like to use pa waggle and dot the flats with TE and Rocket that corner preferably to someone like sidney rice. Also slot corner and bench nasty. Give people those pass plays and they cant defend off tackle out of that formation and when you run you gonna get big yards with minimal carries I might have to go back to that book. Im running Philly book with Philly, their wildcat formation has a pass with no automotion or handoff. With vick on the field you can dot and throw rockets to celek or ingram and audible down to power flip the run and take it up the middle sexy change of pace to slow the game down. The gun sets in this book are money too. And if you like off tackle you have outside zone out ace pair twins singleback. Didnt mean to hijack the thread and talk about a diff book but philly book is sexy too.

Charles talking outside zone! I LOVE IT! I hear you big guy, when they widen on you or if the numbers are right to stop outside zone, hit them with inside zone!

Guys I just played my first pre season game, ran strong close twice +4 yds, ran PRO TWINS 21 tIMES, 161 yds rushing. Now I know if I would have kept running off tackle from strong close the numbers would have been higher, but my point here is, YOU can RUN the ROCK out of both PB and SAINTS Book without having to run strong close. This is a good thing, a very good thing!

CHARGERS 31
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She would much rather be UNDERCENTER!

A LIBERAL SIM PLAYER!

You want to stretch them EAST and WEST, and then punish them NORTH and SOUTH when they expand. When they start bringing people back in the box to stop the run, we go back to the air attacking the voided areas of those defenders trying to stop the run..

[PSUEagle]

Originally Posted by IRISHFBFAN1

I have been on, I sent you a text asking if you wee there, no response! Im ready to run the ball down your throat lol! check your messages there big guy!

I got that message a few days ago. I sent you a reply (you must not have gotten it). Anyway, I'm going to be on 360 in about ten or so miniutes, so let's get it lol! I'm looking forward to showing you my pass happy West Coast Offense.

[rokket]

i did not read the entire section so this may have been covered

i used the saints pb before xmas, and i think there was a limitation on the sb tight formation that will not allow u to motion ur rb to the outer edge (outside of the wr's at the line), and if u know the lab, u know that money play (u will need to verify this)


...u CAN do this motion in pass balance sb tight formation...the other thing thats nice about the pass blanace sb tight formation is the off tackle run complimented by motioning down the te to the fb spot...yes just like close...

for the shotgun formation, the pass blanace snuggs beats saints because of the sweep, that play compliments everything else u want to run in that package so much

saints DOES have I form twin wr..which is nice with solid runs to all points(pb does not)

pass balance HAS i form slot (saints doesnt), which has fb dive, hb blast, toss and z spot, this formation is my favorite .... nice runs to all sides...(just wish it had a nice PA)

pass balance has sb ace twins (its missing the nice toss play), but is still nice and a poor mans substitute for the missing i form twins set


id go pass balance

[Mercenary1914]

Originally Posted by rokket

i did not read the entire section so this may have been covered

i used the saints pb before xmas, and i think there was a limitation on the sb tight formation that will not allow u to motion ur rb to the outer edge (outside of the wr's at the line), and if u know the lab, u know that money play (u will need to verify this)


...u CAN do this motion in pass balance sb tight formation...the other thing thats nice about the pass blanace sb tight formation is the off tackle run complimented by motioning down the te to the fb spot...yes just like close...

for the shotgun formation, the pass blanace snuggs beats saints because of the sweep, that play compliments everything else u want to run in that package so much

saints DOES have I form twin wr..which is nice with solid runs to all points(pb does not)

pass balance HAS i form slot (saints doesnt), which has fb dive, hb blast, toss and z spot, this formation is my favorite .... nice runs to all sides...(just wish it had a nice PA)

pass balance has sb ace twins (its missing the nice toss play), but is still nice and a poor mans substitute for the missing i form twins set


id go pass balance

The motion in the I form slot is SICK...The FB motions to the side..he doesnt move out wide...which is cool for the toss blocking...I love it...

[JL]

Whats so good about pro twins?

"If you dont like me, put your thoughts in video form, and shove it up your ass" -Daniel Tosh

[rokket]

Originally Posted by JL.

Whats so good about pro twins?

here is what ur opponent does to u

man
zone (either cover 2 cover 3)
nano

what does twins do for u

well u know if he is in man or zone (95%) of the time, and u can look at the safeties or the corners to know cover 3 or cover 2...take advantage..the cover 2 or cover 3 read is extremely important, most cover 2's a corner will be out on twin side by himself picking his arse (thinking about 155 no doubt)

cover 2 - u always have ur run option, or streak or post te, the hb slip screen will work nicely as well
cover 3 - use a play with rb hitting flats, put both wrs on slants, ur rb will get open
man - put ur te on an out route, run pa pwer o
nano - max protect (te and fb blocking), and put ur wrs on slants

stretch runs from a twin set are reliable and good gainers if u read ur defense properly

make ur reads quick, get to line and hike ball as fast as u can

this saints formation is particularly nice because u have nice runs (weak zone, power o, toss and a stretch) to all sides
in some plays sub in a fast rb for fb, if opponent is in man, cancel the PA power o, blocking ur te and rb, put wrs on slants, and hit that fb hitting the flat

all being said, id still go with pass balance

[JL]

Not to sound ignorant or whatever word fits, but that all sounds completely useless because I would never want to pass a lot out of UC. I personally, just can't do it. And from what Ive seen the runs in P.Twins suck hard.

"If you dont like me, put your thoughts in video form, and shove it up your ass" -Daniel Tosh

[Mercenary1914]

Originally Posted by JL.

Not to sound ignorant or whatever word fits, but that all sounds completely useless because I would never want to pass a lot out of UC. I personally, just can't do it. And from what Ive seen the runs in P.Twins suck hard.

I think you are confusing the two...

rokket is referring to I Form Twins...

not split pro twins...

I Form Twins is one of the best uc formations in MADDEN's History!

[obinkc]

Originally Posted by Mercenary1914

I think you are confusing the two...

rokket is referring to I Form Twins...

not split pro twins...

I Form Twins is one of the best uc formations in MADDEN's History!

I've used I Pro Twins since Madden '06, but it was one of the things I had to give up when I switched to Pass Balanced. I've learned that we just can't have it all. I try to duplicate the concept with Ace Twins. Only if there was an Inside Zone in Ace Twins, I wouldn't even miss I Pro Twins.

[rokket]

Originally Posted by rokket

here is what ur opponent does to u

man
zone (either cover 2 cover 3)
nano

what does twins do for u

well u know if he is in man or zone (95%) of the time, and u can look at the safeties or the corners to know cover 3 or cover 2...take advantage..the cover 2 or cover 3 read is extremely important, most cover 2's a corner will be out on twin side by himself picking his arse (thinking about 155 no doubt)

cover 2 - u always have ur run option, or streak or post te, the hb slip screen will work nicely as well
cover 3 - use a play with rb hitting flats, put both wrs on slants, ur rb will get open
man - put ur te on an out route, run pa pwer o
nano - max protect (te and fb blocking), and put ur wrs on slants

stretch runs from a twin set are reliable and good gainers if u read ur defense properly

make ur reads quick, get to line and hike ball as fast as u can

this saints formation is particularly nice because u have nice runs (weak zone, power o, toss and a stretch) to all sides
in some plays sub in a fast rb for fb, if opponent is in man, cancel the PA power o, blocking ur te and rb, put wrs on slants, and hit that fb hitting the flat

all being said, id still go with pass balance

because clarity matters....

in some plays sub in a fast rb for fb, if opponent is in man, cancel the PA power o BY BLOCKING UR RB (block TE too if u need it), put wrs on IN slants, and hit that fb hitting the OPPOSITE FLAT OF TWIN WRs

cover 3 - use a play with rb hitting flats (SAME SIDE AS TWIN WRs), put both wrs on IN slants, ur rb will get open

man - put ur te on an out route OR run pa pwer o

cover 2 - u always have ur run option, streak or post te, slot wr on slant and then hit the te ONCE HE FREES FROM THE LB OR HIT THE SLANT IN THE LBs ZONE THAT IS CHASING TE, the hb slip screen will work nicely as well


i gotta stop posting liquored...i mean without coffee, liquored is fine as long as i have a coffee

[Mercenary1914]

Originally Posted by obinkc

I've used I Pro Twins since Madden '06, but it was one of the things I had to give up when I switched to Pass Balanced. I've learned that we just can't have it all. I try to duplicate the concept with Ace Twins. Only if there was an Inside Zone in Ace Twins, I wouldn't even miss I Pro Twins.

Same here....I also use Ace twins in Pass Balance...PA CTR Waggle is a solid play...lots of cool adjustments you can do to beat pretty much any pass coverage....

The Dive play isn't so bad either....

I am starting to use the I Form Normal a lot more with motion....the Inside Zone run in I Form Normal is hell against Zone with motion....

[obinkc]

Originally Posted by Mercenary1914

Same here....I also use Ace twins in Pass Balance...PA CTR Waggle is a solid play...lots of cool adjustments you can do to beat pretty much any pass coverage....

The Dive play isn't so bad either....

I am starting to use the I Form Normal a lot more with motion....the Inside Zone run in I Form Normal is hell against Zone with motion....

Yes, I Normal is great with Inside Zone. What is that play, Texas? The one where the FB runs an angle, mix that with IZ FTW.

[abdaninja]

honestly balanced is the best book in the game beats both of these books pit does also balanced is best overall guys its jus missing a SB snugs which is finee i swear that fullhouse is like using a under center split cowboy but u get more yards when u run the rock im going to b honest and tell u my honest opinion balance is balanced lol passbalance is all short passing game N.O is big play money book its based around teh deep ball jus like AZ but balance is everythin geez guys the WR POST corners is hard to stop its self fellas then u hav the 689 hook not in teh quick stick auds but u can set it as a audible and u hav WR screen im just going to say one thing that fullhouse is DEADLY!! the sweep play outta there is liek a west coast animation toss but better cuz u can motion and uhave everysingle type of run to match it and great short passes i can honestly stay in fullhouse allgame if u wanna play me ill show u plus the balanced has PA clown MERC and bench swap 2 of teh deadliest snugs plays has better snugs than pass bal no wheel route but that wheel route is wack if u play a good player he will lock it up especially with allthese crazy defenses like the 4-4 split .NO im not done i use to used teh both of these books and i tryed balanced n was liek wow seriously u can use that SPLIT SLOT WR screen post corner and hb slip screen all game so hard to defend belive it or not mix with that off tackle run yeah it may b cheese but isnt using allthem off tackles cheese ! balanced uhav the 5 wide screen and gun doubles thats for shot gun the y trips z spot destroys any kinda blitz i dont care wat u say ugo ahead and blitz me up the guy and see what happens .. u have gun doubles drive wheel theres your wheel route balanced gun doubles u can motion left WR over to left to make a trips TE look that NE has ok im done talkin about shotty THAT shotty burns both books SPLIT SLOT over both PASS bal and N.O

lol and for all u off tackle users well u hav GL off tackle to and u dont know how good balance is its got under center also that singleback jumbo beats anythin i can also stay in that all game if i decided to i get so greedy u got inside zone, counter wk dive and power O we all kknow that inside zone is jus like off tackle u can go look at every UC play in this pb and it has runs that complement other runs all this book is missing is tosses really but u hav that weak toss from weak pro with motion is money for you guys who wer looking for a strong close counter balance has it honestly i am a fan of sb snugs and sb tight flex but u dont hav that amazing play WR post corner or fullhouse i wud take that over that any day u prolly think i abuse that play ill abuse it til u cant stop it and i switch it up on u

MY TAG is tdwp ninja add me and ill show u the SB snugs from NE is better than N.O IMO cuz pa slot drag well that is my reason for using balance i was using tampa cuz it has better UC than balance but then i looked at certain plays and ilike balance more and GL off tackle inside the 10 yrd line

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Last edited by abdaninja; 03-13-2010 at 03:59 PM.

[abdaninja]

srry i forgot to space guys my bad

[abdaninja]

by the way if ur looking for a good run play book jus use dallas PB why does dallas hav everythin lol they hav fullhouse all the great run sets , sb jumbo and if u want split cowboy so bad well there it is same exact shotgun has pas bal there i forms all hav like a misdirection wade phillips must love those or somethin there ful house has a clown route which is crazy nothing super special ..

oh if ur gunna say well they dont hav strong close tssh ur wrong they hav e hiden strong close plays they hav texans out from strong close with a blue and the toss but no off tackle sorry well there ugo guys

[obinkc]

Originally Posted by abdaninja

honestly balanced is the best book in the game beats both of these books pit does also balanced is best overall guys its jus missing a SB snugs which is finee i swear that fullhouse is like using a under center split cowboy but u get more yards when u run the rock im going to b honest and tell u my honest opinion balance is balanced lol passbalance is all short passing game N.O is big play money book its based around teh deep ball jus like AZ but balance is everythin geez guys the WR POST corners is hard to stop its self fellas then u hav the 689 hook not in teh quick stick auds but u can set it as a audible and u hav WR screen im just going to say one thing that fullhouse is DEADLY!! the sweep play outta there is liek a west coast animation toss but better cuz u can motion and uhave everysingle type of run to match it and great short passes i can honestly stay in fullhouse allgame if u wanna play me ill show u plus the balanced has PA clown MERC and bench swap 2 of teh deadliest snugs plays has better snugs than pass bal no wheel route but that wheel route is wack if u play a good player he will lock it up especially with allthese crazy defenses like the 4-4 split .NO im not done i use to used teh both of these books and i tryed balanced n was liek wow seriously u can use that SPLIT SLOT WR screen post corner and hb slip screen all game so hard to defend belive it or not mix with that off tackle run yeah it may b cheese but isnt using allthem off tackles cheese ! balanced uhav the 5 wide screen and gun doubles thats for shot gun the y trips z spot destroys any kinda blitz i dont care wat u say ugo ahead and blitz me up the guy and see what happens .. u have gun doubles drive wheel theres your wheel route balanced gun doubles u can motion left WR over to left to make a trips TE look that NE has ok im done talkin about shotty THAT shotty burns both books SPLIT SLOT over both PASS bal and N.O

lol and for all u off tackle users well u hav GL off tackle to and u dont know how good balance is its got under center also that singleback jumbo beats anythin i can also stay in that all game if i decided to i get so greedy u got inside zone, counter wk dive and power O we all kknow that inside zone is jus like off tackle u can go look at every UC play in this pb and it has runs that complement other runs all this book is missing is tosses really but u hav that weak toss from weak pro with motion is money for you guys who wer looking for a strong close counter balance has it honestly i am a fan of sb snugs and sb tight flex but u dont hav that amazing play WR post corner or fullhouse i wud take that over that any day u prolly think i abuse that play ill abuse it til u cant stop it and i switch it up on u

MY TAG is tdwp ninja add me and ill show u the SB snugs from NE is better than N.O IMO cuz pa slot drag well that is my reason for using balance i was using tampa cuz it has better UC than balance but then i looked at certain plays and ilike balance more and GL off tackle inside the 10 yrd line

Balanced is definitely one of the best books, but I had to switch from it because I like the SB Flex out of Pass Balanced more than the SB Doubles out of Balanced. I run a lot of SB 3WR and like the schemes I can create with Pass Balanced especially when pairing it with SB Spread using the TE Slot package. Just my personal preference.

[abdaninja]

Originally Posted by obinkc

Balanced is definitely one of the best books, but I had to switch from it because I like the SB Flex out of Pass Balanced more than the SB Doubles out of Balanced. I run a lot of SB 3WR and like the schemes I can create with Pass Balanced especially when pairing it with SB Spread using the TE Slot package. Just my personal preference.

the spread SB spread from pass bal is great it has a post corner on the right side and nice lil runs but i hav to check out the flex idk thats just me iwud take balance over any of these