new orleans pb

[lajon007]

does anybody has a scheme out this pb that is not strong close r I twin flex any thing will help

[MaDDeNLeGeNdZ]

Gun tight saints spot shake(I forget the actual name) but it's a top 5 play in the game

[lajon007]

Originally Posted by MaDDeNLeGeNdZ

Gun tight saints spot shake(I forget the actual name) but it's a top 5 play in the game

Thanks so u can set up a scheme from that and what a good base formation to play with

[IRISHFBFAN1]

Originally Posted by lajon007

does anybody has a scheme out this pb that is not strong close r I twin flex any thing will help

Best Playbook in the game IMO and once again for the second year in a row I have not been able to run Strong Close lol, one of my favorite formations in the game I dont give a damn if everybody in the world is running it. You guys know me and I strive to be different than everybody else, that just goes to show you how important I feel that formation is.

Now, lajon007. You do run Strong Close I am assuming correct? You are just wanting something different correct?

I got to jump back over to this playbook. I miss it so much!
I will tell you what I am going to be doing which will be t different I think then anybody else and that is to string some formations together to create a longer playlist at my fingertips.

Strong Close to SG Split Close
SB Doubles to SB YTrips
SB Doubles to SG Doubles WK

I have said it before and I will say it again SG Doubles WK is one of the better formations in this playbook and nobody really ever talks about it but yet I see other people running it in my league, and last night I was going through some youtube vids of friends of mine who are now messing around with that formation and they just killed people online with those 3 automotion plays that all look the same but attack the defense differently.

Gun Doubles WK


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Only gripe I have is the fact that these 3 plays lthough very good are the only plays with the receivers flopped in alignment, no biggie if you scheme correctly.

Another type of motion you can use is motioning the far right receiver to the left to create a SG Bunch TE set.

Just some ideas

hope this helps

Irish

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[sportsfan56]

Lajon I will get you one tonight. Will be out of Bunch base and Gun tight

[lajon007]

thank IRISHFBFAN1 sorry took so long to get back with u i will try that now. thanks sportsfan56:i been trying the I-from twins but thats it i really dont have a scheme with it

[lajon007]

i realy been trying not to use sc cuz i didnt have a scheme with but like i said before i never realy have a schemes ur a GOD sent

[lajon007]

TO sportsfan56 can u help me once again we have 5 slots to fill which plays u suggest to go with that scheme it doesnt matter I can run more r pass more it doesnt matter to me

[johntom2000]

My scheme out of I Twins Flex I run just busted a guy that was 170-140 online with 250+ yards running trust me. They are a scheme out of it. I may post mine to help you out If you want some help out of that formation. Also with a Strong I close and Twin I flex scheme you can really do some major ball control. I don't know why don't want to run these two formations. After I read your first post I am thinking you hatted them. LOL

Irish,

Them 3 plays are nice little scheme also!

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[lajon007]

I'll love to have those plays I don't hated it I just don't don't how to set up a scheme I have the I pro twin with the to run plays with the the power n the audible but that's it I just don't know anything else to got with tuem for the pass and should I stay I that formation for pass r change to a whole difference setup I have three slots to fill but with what to maximize the two back and if u have a different scheme I'm all ears........lol

[lajon007]

And Sportfan56 I can't wait to see ur style that's for any help u can give

[sportsfan56]

Sportsfan New Orleans right up

Terminology: I don’t want to use buttons since this is for both consoles
LWR: most left wr
LLOSWR: The left wr LOS closest to the tackle
RLOSWR: right wr closet to the tackle
RWR: right most wr
MBWR: Middle bunch wr
LBWR: Left Bunch
RBWR: Right bunch
LOSTE: TE on LOS
TE: TE off the LOS
RTE: Right TE
LTE: left TE
FB: Full back
HB: Half Back

Base Play:
Gun Tight: Saints Spot Shake
Base Set-up Man or zone doesn’t matter honestly
In route LWR
Slant out RLOSWR
motion hb to the right

Against man
Well on the right side of the field you have 2 assignment switches and both guys are wide open. On slant out pass lead down when he is close to the sideline. The shake route takes a little time to develop, but if both guys aren’t open the the shake route works perfectly pass lead left after break. On the left side the In route is a quicker hitting route against man passing lead right and up. Finally wait for the wheel route to make his break.

Against zone
The Hb wheel route will pull down any purple zones or flat zones. The key is to wait for the slant out till he is near the sideline and then pass lead up. You will get an over the shoulder catch when done correctly. The shake route will get under hook zones if you throw it before he breaks. The in route is very effective against zone just pass lead up. I know it sounds counter intuitive, but do it works. Finally check the wheel routes as they go up the seams if they are playing max coverage D.

[lajon007]

Thanks sportsfan56 wow u guys r geniuses at this

[johntom2000]

Originally Posted by lajon007

Thanks sportsfan56 wow u guys r geniuses at this

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Here is my scheme from NO pb Twins Flex. Hope it helps, Enjoy.

[lajon007]

THANKS I WILL GET ON IT TONIGHT

[IRISHFBFAN1]

johntom great scheme, looks like you got your off tackle and outside run with Saints hb power, your inside run with the fb dive nothing wrong with that. Your man beaters look like Slants of course as well as the PA Pass with the right adjustments.

Saints Seams looks like a nice zone beater. All and all very good, simple bb ut yet effective scheme.

Only thing I would have liked to see you add would be the HB Screen whih can be very effective back to the TE side, and the very good pass play in the playart below which can be effective left alone or by hot routing as you will see,


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With the play above, Flanker Curl found in the Saints PB you get a nice blue route which is always needed especially throwing from sets like this, you also have a natural zone beater to the Twins side. VS Cover 3 you have the Curl/flat read and I would put "B" on a streak or Seam which is also very good vs cover 3. VS Cover 2 you could leave the play alone and be fine, and that route you hot routed to a streak or seam vs cover 3 would now stay as is vs cover 2 and that is a post. Of course you still could always hot route to the ever popular flat/slantout/streak concept, nothing wrong with this as well, and if you watch both the college and the NFL games you will see versions of this tactic every saturday and sunday.

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Last edited by IRISHFBFAN1; 03-07-2012 at 12:55 PM.

[johntom2000]

Originally Posted by IRISHFBFAN1

johntom great scheme, looks like you got your off tackle and outside run with Saints hb power, your inside run with the fb dive nothing wrong with that. Your man beaters look like Slants of course as well as the PA Pass with the right adjustments.

Saints Seams looks like a nice zone beater. All and all very good, simple bb ut yet effective scheme.

Only thing I would have liked to see you add would be the HB Screen whih can be very effective back to the TE side, and the very good pass play in the playart below which can be effective left alone or by hot routing as you will see,


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With the play above, Flanker Curl found in the Saints PB you get a nice blue route which is always needed especially throwing from sets like this, you also have a natural zone beater to the Twins side. VS Cover 3 you have the Curl/flat read and I would put "B" on a streak or Seam which is also very good vs cover 3. VS Cover 2 you could leave the play alone and be fine, and that route you hot routed to a streak or seam vs cover 3 would now stay as is vs cover 2 and that is a post. Of course you still could always hot route to the ever popular flat/slantout/streak concept, nothing wrong with this as well, and if you watch both the college and the NFL games you will see versions of this tactic every saturday and sunday.

Thanks Irish, That was just a small piece of what I run out of it. The writeup I done is like 85% what I run but, that play you have I run it too somewhat and sometimes alot with hot routes. I can't show my full hand :P

[lajon007]

So nay I ask one small question do u have all five audible from the sane formation

[lajon007]

IRISHFBFAN1
DO U KNOW ANY GOOD PASS PLAYS FOR MAN R ZONE AND WOULD U HAVE ALL UR AUDILEABLE OUT OF ONE FORMATION

[IRISHFBFAN1]

Originally Posted by lajon007

IRISHFBFAN1
DO U KNOW ANY GOOD PASS PLAYS FOR MAN R ZONE AND WOULD U HAVE ALL UR AUDILEABLE OUT OF ONE FORMATION

Thats an easy question but yet still tough. Easy because so many plays to list. Tough because you guys know I don't write long posts lol

here goes

vs man concentrate on the SHAKE routes and all the funny looking type routes we have talked about and can be found in my writeup (organizing your offense). Include MESH out of as many formations the book will allow you and that would be and for those keeping score that would big 6 different formations

PRO I
PRO I TIGHT
GUN TIGHT
STRONG CLOSE
JUMBO
SB SNUGS FLIP (2 VERSIONS) MESH and MESH SWITCH

***You can also count INSIDE CROSS as a possible man beater, several versions of this play can be found in this book.

Add SLANTS in with the above and you have all you need to handle man coverage.

Remember, automotion is your friend, they are unbumpable and should be tied into the rest of your offense to create effective schemeing.

I have talked about HB WHEEL from both Gun Tight and SB Snugs for 2 years now. I am not bragging, and I think you guys know me better than that but I was running this play and talking about in the forums before any ebooks, youtube vids, or anything else concerning this play had started. KILLER vs both man and zone. You have to user on defense to be effective at stopping this play on a regular basis.


Vs. Zone concentrate on plays like the following,

SMASH
STICK, (Please do this play justice and run it from a variety of formations.
DRIVE
VERTICALS
HB WHEEL (Gun Tight, SB Snugs, SG Split Close)
Z SPOT, Z SPOT, and some more Z SPOT!

That should get you started, and remember to try to run those concepts out of as many looks possible. It makes you much harder to defend as well as the fact that it makes the game more fun.

As far as audibling out of one formation I don't do it, and I don't like it but that does not mean it isn't effective. I just feel you are cutting yourself short. To much offense with all the books especially this one to limit yourself. You have to ask yourself what I am I going to do in a critcal situation when my opponent has a grasp on my tendencies and he has handled this one formation pretty damn good? The doors are all closed and there is literally no way out but to burn another damn timeout. Again, only my opinion. I usually have a counter weak play from the formation that has my base run like with Strong Close.
Here I can come out in off tackle and have counter weak as my regular audible. I have both man and zone beaters in my formation audibles. This would probably be the ONLY formation I would even think about putting all my regular audibles in and even then it would be far fetched for me. I also have at least 2 more audibles for my 2 minute offense, and the other 2 are used for tying formations together like going from SB DOUBLES to SB Y TRIPS.
I just think you limit yourself when putting all your audibles from one formation.

Hope this helps,

enjoy

irish

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Last edited by IRISHFBFAN1; 03-10-2012 at 11:59 PM.